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An interesting question for me is how much true altruism is required to give rise to a generally altruistic society under high quality coordination frameworks. I suspect it's quite small.
Another question is whether building coordination frameworks to any degree requires some background of altruism. I suspect that this is the case. It's the hypothesis I've accreted for explaining the success of post-war economies (guessing that war leads to a boom in nationalistic altruism, generally increased fairness and mutual faith).
It may be useful to write about how a consumer can distinguish contrarian takes from original insights. Until that's a common skill, there will remain a market for contrarians.
I didn't, but I often want to downvote articles that seem to be lecturing a group who wouldn't read or be changed by the article. I know a lot of idiots will upvote such articles out of a belief that by doing so they are helping or attacking that group. On reddit, it often felt like that is the main reason people upvote things, to engage indirectly with others, and it kills the sub, clogging it with posts that the people who visit the sub are not themselves getting anything from.
If you engaged with the target group successfully, they would upvote the post themselves, so a person should generally never upvote on others' behalf, because they don't actually know what would work for them.
Unfortunately, the whole anonymous voting thing makes it impossible to properly address voting norm issues like this. So either I address it improperly by making deep guesses about why people are voting, in this way (no, don't enjoy) or I prepare to depose lesswrong.com with a better system (that's what I'm doing)
On reflection, it must have played out more than once that a kiwi lad, in a foreign country, drunk, has asked a girl if she wants to get a kebab. The girl thinks he means shish-kebab but says yes enthusiastically because she likes him and assumes he wouldn't ask that unless it was an abnormally good shish-kebab. The kiwi realizes too late that there are no kebabs in america, but they end up going ahead and getting shish-kebabs out of a combination of face-saving, and an infatuation-related coordination problem: The girl now truly wants a shish-kebab, it is too late to redirect the desires of the group.
So that detail might have just been inspired by a true story.
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2Americans don't know how much they had to compromise in this video by using shish-kebabs instead of what a new zealander would really mean when someone at a party says "do you want to get a kebab with me", which are instead like, the turkish version of burritos, instead of mince, beans and cheese; turkish meat, hummus, veges and wider choice of sauces. They're a fixture of nightlife and tend to be open late.
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1If you wanna talk about the humanity(ies), well I looked up Chief Vision Officer of AISI Adam Russel, and he has an interesting profile.
Russell completed a Bachelor of Arts in Cultural Anthropology from Duke University, and an M.Phil. and a D.Phil. in Social Anthropology from University of Oxford, where he was a Rhodes Scholar.[2] He played with the Oxford University RFC for four varsity matches and also worked with the United States national rugby union team, and worked as High Performance director for the United States women's national rugby union team in the 2014 and 2017 Women's Rugby World Cups.[3]
Russell was in the industry, where he was a senior scientist and principal investigator on a wide range of human performance and social science research projects and provided strategic assessments for a number of different government organizations.[2][4] Russell joined Intelligence Advanced Research Projects Activity (IARPA) as a program manager.[2][4] He developed and managed a number of high-risk, high-payoff research projects for the Office of the Director of National Intelligence.[2] Russell joined DARPA as a program manager in July 2015.[2][4] His work there focused on new experimental platforms and tools to facilitate discovery, quantification and "big validation" of fundamental measures in social science, behavioral science and human performance.[2]
In 2022, secretary Xavier Becerra selected Russell to serve as the acting deputy director for the Advanced Research Projects Agency for Health (ARPA-H), effective June 6. In this role, Russell leads the process to stand up ARPA-H.[5]
Hmm he's done a lot of macho human-enhancement-adjacent stuff. I wonder if there were some centaurists involved here.
- I previously noted a lot of research projects in neurotech research in DoD funding awards. I'm making a connection between this and a joke I heard recently on a navy seals podcast. "The guys often ask what they can do to deal with drones. So you start showing them how to work the jammer devices, or net guns, and their eyes glaze over, it's not what they wanted, they're disappointed. They're thinking like, 'no... how can I deal with it. Myself.' "
- So even though alignment-by-merger is kinda obviously not going to work (you'd have to reverse-engineer two vats of inscrutable matrices, instead of one. And the fleshy pink one wasn't designed to be read from and can only be read on a neuron-by-neuron level after being plastinated (which also kills it). AGI alignment is something that a neuralink cannot solve.), it's conceivable that it's an especially popular line of thought among military/sports types.
Otherwise, this kinda lines up with my confessions on manhattan projects for AGI. You arguably need an anthropologist to make decisions about what 'aligned' means. I don't know if you really need one (a philosophically inclined decision theorist, likely to already be involved already, would be enough for me) but I wouldn't be surprised to see an anthropologist appointed in the most serious projects.
Feel like there's a decent chance they already changed their minds as a result of meeting him or engaging with their coworkers about the issue. EAs are good at conflict resolution.
Wouldn't really need reward modelling for narrow optimizers. Weak general real-world optimizers, I find difficult to imagine, and I'd expect them to be continuous with strong ones, the projects to make weak ones wouldn't be easily distinguishable from the projects to make strong ones.
Oh, are you thinking of applying it to say, simulation training.
Cool then.
Are you aware that prepotence is the default for strong optimizers though?
There actually is a meaningful question there: Would you enter the experience machine? Or do you need it to be real. Do you just want the experience of pleasing others or do you need those people being pleased out there to actually exist.
There are a lot of people who really think, and might truly be experience oriented. If given the ability, they would instantly self-modify into a Victory Psychopath Protecting A Dream.